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la_belle_laideAhh, Hwei! My reply to you is so long that I wanted to put it here rather than in the reply box and because, even after my long, emotional (and uplifting) weekend, I've still got movies on the brain. ;)
First thing though: I loathe this new keyboard. The keys are all stiff and annoying. I had this whole reply typed up, and one bad keystroke erased the entire thing. Now the keyboard must be bashed. But anyway. >_<
And oh did our Smith give the COOLEST reason for it, EVER.
He did, but he was still more compelling in the first one. The Matrix was the first movie I saw in the new movie theater in town, and I remember sitting there getting a shiver when Smith had Morpheus chained to the chair and he said the phrase, "I hate." A computer program hates? And you knew then that he had already lost the fight in that first one, because that emotion is a human failing, and Smith was no longer a perfect machine.
The entire battle between Neo and Smith reminded me of Dragonball.
Dude, I hadn't noticed until you said it! I've never seen an entire episode, but I've seen enough commercials to agree with you.
"And when Smith took Neo down for the first time in that wet, plummeting embrace, that was pleasing on so many levels."
I have so been waiting for someone else to say that! XD
Trust me to notice. ^_____^
it reinforced the idea of 'from here on there is no turning back even if we achieve what we set out to achieve'.
I think we all expected that Neo would be sacrificed, at least from the end of Reloaded. But you're right; it's difficult to imagine that he would have gone back to Zion all victorious and blind.
(I'm not clear how letting Smith assimilate him allowed Smith to die - did it allow the Machines to delete Smith, or was it being in Neo's body that destroyed Smith? but anyway..)
I remember I had a clear opinion before I went away for the weekend, but it's mostly been deleted from me. ;) From what I can recall, I think I thought that Smith died because he was a part of Neo and vise versa. Neo goes, Smith goes. I think it took Neo till the end of the fight to realize that (otherwise, why the long fight?) and Smith didn't realize it until it was too late.
Tell you something else. I have to wonder if the storyline didn't get changed after the first one to give Smith a bigger role because he'd become such a popular character.
and I REALLY like how he didn't use any special I-Am-The-One(TM) powers to defeat his enemy. He seemed to realise that he had to lose, just once and in his biggest battle ever and with the greatest personal cost to himself, in order to win the war.
Precisely. He needed that to get there, but to win, all he had to do was die.
[*we have this argument that I can't parallel park because women have less spatial ability. it is true though that I can't parallel park.]
LMAO! Well damn, I always say the same thing! "I'm a woman! I'm not spatial!" ;)
On a silly note, half the cinema giggled when Neo was blubbing, "No, Trinity, you can't die!" and she replied, "Yes, I can." I know she was dying and all, but the way she said it, it had this whole 'nyah!' vibe going.
Yeah, I had a problem with that, because at first it sounded retarded, and then afterwards I wonder if it wasn't on purpose, you know, like she wanted to rest, she got to rest, and he still had to go on. But that's not what Trinity was about; she always wanted to do whatever she could and she never bowed out on purpose. So it didn't make sense at that point for her to get snarky about it.
And on that note, I've been reading an awful lot of reviews on movie groups saying, "OOooh, it was just PERFECT!!!!!111!!" and I want to slap those people. I mena, enjoy if it, of course, if you do enjoy it; hell, I had fun watching it, but to call it "perfect?" Hello! Dialogue! Suck! Cliche! If you can't hear the suckage of the dialogue, I'm afraid you have a tin ear and are hopeless. ;) *slapslap*
Thanks for the mana'o, Hwei!
First thing though: I loathe this new keyboard. The keys are all stiff and annoying. I had this whole reply typed up, and one bad keystroke erased the entire thing. Now the keyboard must be bashed. But anyway. >_<
And oh did our Smith give the COOLEST reason for it, EVER.
He did, but he was still more compelling in the first one. The Matrix was the first movie I saw in the new movie theater in town, and I remember sitting there getting a shiver when Smith had Morpheus chained to the chair and he said the phrase, "I hate." A computer program hates? And you knew then that he had already lost the fight in that first one, because that emotion is a human failing, and Smith was no longer a perfect machine.
The entire battle between Neo and Smith reminded me of Dragonball.
Dude, I hadn't noticed until you said it! I've never seen an entire episode, but I've seen enough commercials to agree with you.
"And when Smith took Neo down for the first time in that wet, plummeting embrace, that was pleasing on so many levels."
I have so been waiting for someone else to say that! XD
Trust me to notice. ^_____^
it reinforced the idea of 'from here on there is no turning back even if we achieve what we set out to achieve'.
I think we all expected that Neo would be sacrificed, at least from the end of Reloaded. But you're right; it's difficult to imagine that he would have gone back to Zion all victorious and blind.
(I'm not clear how letting Smith assimilate him allowed Smith to die - did it allow the Machines to delete Smith, or was it being in Neo's body that destroyed Smith? but anyway..)
I remember I had a clear opinion before I went away for the weekend, but it's mostly been deleted from me. ;) From what I can recall, I think I thought that Smith died because he was a part of Neo and vise versa. Neo goes, Smith goes. I think it took Neo till the end of the fight to realize that (otherwise, why the long fight?) and Smith didn't realize it until it was too late.
Tell you something else. I have to wonder if the storyline didn't get changed after the first one to give Smith a bigger role because he'd become such a popular character.
and I REALLY like how he didn't use any special I-Am-The-One(TM) powers to defeat his enemy. He seemed to realise that he had to lose, just once and in his biggest battle ever and with the greatest personal cost to himself, in order to win the war.
Precisely. He needed that to get there, but to win, all he had to do was die.
[*we have this argument that I can't parallel park because women have less spatial ability. it is true though that I can't parallel park.]
LMAO! Well damn, I always say the same thing! "I'm a woman! I'm not spatial!" ;)
On a silly note, half the cinema giggled when Neo was blubbing, "No, Trinity, you can't die!" and she replied, "Yes, I can." I know she was dying and all, but the way she said it, it had this whole 'nyah!' vibe going.
Yeah, I had a problem with that, because at first it sounded retarded, and then afterwards I wonder if it wasn't on purpose, you know, like she wanted to rest, she got to rest, and he still had to go on. But that's not what Trinity was about; she always wanted to do whatever she could and she never bowed out on purpose. So it didn't make sense at that point for her to get snarky about it.
And on that note, I've been reading an awful lot of reviews on movie groups saying, "OOooh, it was just PERFECT!!!!!111!!" and I want to slap those people. I mena, enjoy if it, of course, if you do enjoy it; hell, I had fun watching it, but to call it "perfect?" Hello! Dialogue! Suck! Cliche! If you can't hear the suckage of the dialogue, I'm afraid you have a tin ear and are hopeless. ;) *slapslap*
Thanks for the mana'o, Hwei!
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Date: 2003-11-10 10:21 am (UTC)AND HE KNEW IT TOO!! Thank you for reminding me. I wonder if computer programs also hate being noogied?
I thought that Smith died because he was a part of Neo and vise versa. Neo goes, Smith goes.
Ah, I forgot about that. I was too hung up trying to figure out how the technical laws of software and the machine world work.
I have to wonder if the storyline didn't get changed after the first one to give Smith a bigger role because he'd become such a popular character.
... guilty. I must admit I did want to watch the sequels primarily because of his fearsome hotness spilling all over the trailers. I totally didn't expect to see him ever again after the first movie.
on a happier note, I hope you caught the trailer for Return Of The King. I saw that right before Revolutions started, and would have been content to go home without watching Rev- no, that's a lie, but I would have been very sad if I had missed it. come on December!